Comments on: Historic Day for ELCA: Gay Marriage, Clergy Approved http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/ A gay Christian moving the forbidden from the footnotes. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:57:07 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Clem http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3642 Clem Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:27:41 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3642 Adding the term homosexual to a Lutheran pastor should be quite acceptable to our clergy. I am sure if we called our brothers in the cloth drunks, rapists, murderers, and drug addicts they would probably defend their calling. Didn't God also make the rapist and give him these special needs? Why should we try to change what God has ordained? Is taking the name of the Lord in vain really such a big deal--why not make them Bishops!!<br><br>I now listen to the "unity" sermons with contempt. I have lost all respect for the ELCA and will no longer fund them intentionally. When the Bishop comes I will read a newspaper during his sermon. Don't blame me--God made me this way--in his image. Our Lord overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple because he had so much contempt for the so called "Holy Men" that ran the place. Was he right in doing so? Martin Luther hung condemnations on the church door, started a whole new church, and watched 100,000 people die because of his departure. Was he right in doing so?<br><br>I would consider it an honor if the ELCA banned me from attending services but it will not happen--it is now a country club not a religion. God is not with these men and dishonor will come down upon their houses. Adding the term homosexual to a Lutheran pastor should be quite acceptable to our clergy. I am sure if we called our brothers in the cloth drunks, rapists, murderers, and drug addicts they would probably defend their calling. Didn't God also make the rapist and give him these special needs? Why should we try to change what God has ordained? Is taking the name of the Lord in vain really such a big deal–why not make them Bishops!!

I now listen to the “unity” sermons with contempt. I have lost all respect for the ELCA and will no longer fund them intentionally. When the Bishop comes I will read a newspaper during his sermon. Don't blame me–God made me this way–in his image. Our Lord overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple because he had so much contempt for the so called “Holy Men” that ran the place. Was he right in doing so? Martin Luther hung condemnations on the church door, started a whole new church, and watched 100,000 people die because of his departure. Was he right in doing so?

I would consider it an honor if the ELCA banned me from attending services but it will not happen–it is now a country club not a religion. God is not with these men and dishonor will come down upon their houses.

]]> By: Marriage Save http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3612 Marriage Save Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:27:59 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3612 I don't understand why the trial judge has the right to cancel on a judge that has a higher rank I don't understand why the trial judge has the right to cancel on a judge that has a higher rank

]]> By: Matt Algren http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3341 Matt Algren Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:05:03 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3341 I assume your first sentence is referring to Galations 5. Other problem areas (other than "sexual immorality") found in this section include idolatry, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, envy, and drunkenness.<br><br>I have a feeling you aren't as adamant about casting out offenders of the rest of the list as you are about the one that doesn't affect you.<br><br>Secondly, I don't believe that homosexuality is condemned, either in the Bible or by God. So there's that. I assume your first sentence is referring to Galations 5. Other problem areas (other than “sexual immorality”) found in this section include idolatry, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, envy, and drunkenness.

I have a feeling you aren't as adamant about casting out offenders of the rest of the list as you are about the one that doesn't affect you.

Secondly, I don't believe that homosexuality is condemned, either in the Bible or by God. So there's that.

]]> By: Tony http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3334 Tony Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:19:12 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3334 Biblicly, a Christian is obligated to point out to any who would listen that sexual congress outside of marriage is condemed and that those who practice these things unrepentantly will not inherit the blessings spoken of in the Bible. They will not "burn in hell", (a platonist teaching borrowed from babylonian tradition). The appostle Paul in his first letter to the congregation in Corinth exhorted them to eject from the congregation one who was having sex with his fathers wife, this to keep the congregation clean and to motivate that one to rethink his course of action that would bring God.s denunciation. Paul later exhorted them to restore that one after he demonstrated repentance. Christians are not apointed as judges of homosexuals or anyone, but they themselves might adversley be judged if they did not lovingly point out that homosexuality is a practice that is condemed and that reconciliation to God is possible to repentant ones by means of Christ Jesus. Biblicly, a Christian is obligated to point out to any who would listen that sexual congress outside of marriage is condemed and that those who practice these things unrepentantly will not inherit the blessings spoken of in the Bible. They will not “burn in hell”, (a platonist teaching borrowed from babylonian tradition). The appostle Paul in his first letter to the congregation in Corinth exhorted them to eject from the congregation one who was having sex with his fathers wife, this to keep the congregation clean and to motivate that one to rethink his course of action that would bring God.s denunciation. Paul later exhorted them to restore that one after he demonstrated repentance. Christians are not apointed as judges of homosexuals or anyone, but they themselves might adversley be judged if they did not lovingly point out that homosexuality is a practice that is condemed and that reconciliation to God is possible to repentant ones by means of Christ Jesus.

]]> By: sins, eh? http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3284 sins, eh? Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:17:58 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3284 Hope you don't wear cotton-polyester blends, cut your hair, or eat bacon. Oh - and that woman shook hands with the other day? She was menstruating. Uh-oh! Come back and let us know if you ever take the lord's name in vain, because then we'll have to stone you to death. We all have to pitch in and follow the word of God. Hope you don't wear cotton-polyester blends, cut your hair, or eat bacon. Oh – and that woman shook hands with the other day? She was menstruating. Uh-oh! Come back and let us know if you ever take the lord's name in vain, because then we'll have to stone you to death. We all have to pitch in and follow the word of God.

]]> By: sins, eh? http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3028 sins, eh? Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:17:58 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3028 Hope you don't wear cotton-polyester blends, cut your hair, or eat bacon. Oh - and that woman shook hands with the other day? She was menstruating. Uh-oh! Come back and let us know if you ever take the lord's name in vain, because then we'll have to stone you to death. We all have to pitch in and follow the word of God. Hope you don't wear cotton-polyester blends, cut your hair, or eat bacon. Oh – and that woman shook hands with the other day? She was menstruating. Uh-oh! Come back and let us know if you ever take the lord's name in vain, because then we'll have to stone you to death. We all have to pitch in and follow the word of God.

]]> By: jcil_one http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-3008 jcil_one Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:09:18 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-3008 The church doesn't hate gays, I think this is a misconception that is construed by many. People need to have an understanding about what the church teaches about homosexuality. It is very explicit in the catechism (2357-2359). If you miss going to church, why aren't you still going? Try to find the beauty in the church before riding it off. The church doesn't hate gays, I think this is a misconception that is construed by many. People need to have an understanding about what the church teaches about homosexuality. It is very explicit in the catechism (2357-2359). If you miss going to church, why aren't you still going? Try to find the beauty in the church before riding it off.

]]> By: scottbursch http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-2949 scottbursch Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:26:03 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-2949 I believe homosexuality is a sin no different than other sin. To accept this life style as the ELCA is unacceptable. I believe homosexuality is a sin no different than other sin. To accept this life style as the ELCA is unacceptable.

]]> By: Matt Algren http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-2948 Matt Algren Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:35:18 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-2948 Obviously I disagrewith you, as do many others in every denomination.<br>On a side note, please read the comment tips linked to directly above<br>the comments section. Thanks for stopping by! Obviously I disagrewith you, as do many others in every denomination.
On a side note, please read the comment tips linked to directly above
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]]> By: pzpgnp123 http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/08/historic-day-for-elca-gay-marriage-clergy-approved/#comment-2947 pzpgnp123 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:37:18 +0000 http://blog.mattalgren.com/?p=789#comment-2947 We must discern God's will and boldly proclaim his Word. Scripture is clear in multiple places that God did not intend sex between same gender people, and that God sees this as sexual perversion and sin. In addition, a review of basic human anatomy clearly shows that God did not intend for a man to place his penis in another man's anus. God created sex for procreation, and for pleasure and closeness between a Husband and Wife.<br><br>The ELCA social statement should say that the ELCA recognizes God's law as written in the Bible, and therefore concludes that homosexuality is a sin. The ELCA should also state that we love all sinners, for which one of us is free of sin? However, we should encourage confession and repentance of sins as part of welcoming homosexual people into our midst, which is what is expected by God of all of us sinners.<br><br>By being vague on this subject, we condemn people to hell by not exposing their sin as sin. Loving Christians lift each other up by confronting our sins, confessing to God and repenting of our sins. If we see a Brother or Sister in Christ that is sinning repeatedly, it is our calling to help that person out of their sin and to help them restore their relationship with God, who hates sin. God has given us the free gift of salvation through his Son Jesus Christ, but we are to honor that relationship by trying to be as sin free as possible, loving our neighbors as ourselves and by inviting others into a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. We must discern God's will and boldly proclaim his Word. Scripture is clear in multiple places that God did not intend sex between same gender people, and that God sees this as sexual perversion and sin. In addition, a review of basic human anatomy clearly shows that God did not intend for a man to place his penis in another man's anus. God created sex for procreation, and for pleasure and closeness between a Husband and Wife.

The ELCA social statement should say that the ELCA recognizes God's law as written in the Bible, and therefore concludes that homosexuality is a sin. The ELCA should also state that we love all sinners, for which one of us is free of sin? However, we should encourage confession and repentance of sins as part of welcoming homosexual people into our midst, which is what is expected by God of all of us sinners.

By being vague on this subject, we condemn people to hell by not exposing their sin as sin. Loving Christians lift each other up by confronting our sins, confessing to God and repenting of our sins. If we see a Brother or Sister in Christ that is sinning repeatedly, it is our calling to help that person out of their sin and to help them restore their relationship with God, who hates sin. God has given us the free gift of salvation through his Son Jesus Christ, but we are to honor that relationship by trying to be as sin free as possible, loving our neighbors as ourselves and by inviting others into a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

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