Oh hey, how about that Rick Warren? It’s been awhile since we checked in on him, and fortunately enough, he happens to be in the news again! And wouldn’t you know, he’s doing what he loves most: Lying.
Rick was on Larry King Live Monday night, and King asked him about the kerfuffle a few months ago when he said that gay people are the same as pedophiles. Here’s the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIWSyMrhRA
I’m so bored with Rick and his shenanigans. So, so bored. But in the interest of sharing information, here’s some specific refutations. (Full transcript of Larry King Live here)
Yes, you know, Larry, there was a story within a story that never got told. In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be.
During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.
Let’s look past Prop 8, though, and see what Rick said about gay marriage in 2004. Four years ago, he listed gay marriage as one of the five non-negotiable and non-debatable issues for Christians. The pastor of a huge church directed his congregation that if they were okay or even undecided about gay marriage, then they were necessarily bad Christians. That’s some powerful activism, don’t you think?
The week before the — the vote, somebody in my church said, Pastor Rick, what — what do you think about this?
And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is — really should be defined, that that definition should be — say between a man and a woman.
Okay, so when Rick here talks about how he “sent a note to [his] own members”, he’s telling a truth. (Shocking, I know!) What he’s not telling you is that there are 22,000 of his “own members”, and that in the video (not note) he encouraged them to re and fwd the heck out of the thing. Here’s the video from October 23, 2004.
Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
[...] This is not even just a Christian issue — it’s a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views.
(BTW, I addressed the 2% and the “every culture, every religion, 5,000 years” lies last December in this post.)
Back to Monday night:
There were some things said that — you know, everybody should have 10 percent grace when they say public statements. And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe. And I actually announced that.
That’s a lie. Rick was not asked a question that made it sound like he equated gay marriage to pedophilia. He came up with that horrible perverse bit of political slinging-quality mud all on his own. From the same post as above:
Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.
Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?
Rick Warren: Oh I do. Most people, you know… I have many gay friends, I’ve eaten dinner in gay homes, no church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church. Kay and I have given millions of dollars out of “A Purpose-Driven Life” helping people who got AIDS through gay relationships. So they can’t accuse me of homophobia. I just don’t believe in the re-definition of marriage.
Beliefnet’s Steven Waldman went in for a clarification and received a hearty “Oh I do.” You can’t lay that one on him, Rick. It’s a little bit unfair for you to try blaming him in the first place, but to do it dishonestly… Ninth Commandment, man. Look into it.
Okay, one more and I’m out.
KING: [Gay marriage is] not high on your road of issues?
WARREN: No, no, it’s very low.
Again, in 2004 gay marriage was the #3 non-negotiable, non-debatable issue. Now that more people are paying attention to what he says, it’s become “very low”.
The best part of all this is that all this damage control isn’t just grabbing the attention of the gay community, but also the Religious Right. One News Now, Donald Wildmon’s anti-gay propaganda machine, has an article today taking Rick to task for lying on CNN. The commenters, never known for their gentility, have been especially savage.
Weird. We agree on something.